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| property: P000243 | ||
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| The set $\{\{n\}: n < \omega\}$ is a countable $\pi$-base for $\beta \omega$. |
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| $X$ is a dense subspace of {S108} and {S108|P243}. |
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| name: Cardinal functions I (R. Hodel), Ch. 1 of Handbook of set-theoretic topology | ||
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| A base for the topology is a $\pi$-base. | ||
| Let $A$ be a countable dense subset of $X$. | ||
| For each $x\in A$, let $\mathcal V_x$ be a countable local $\pi$-base for $x$. | ||
| Then $\bigcup\{\mathcal V_x:x\in A\}$ is a countable (global) $\pi$-base. | ||
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| To see this, if $O$ is a nonempty open set, there is some $x\in A\cap O$. Hence $O$ contains some $V\in\mathcal V_x$. | ||
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| This is a special case of Theorem 3.8(b) of {{zb:0559.54003}}. |
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This stays closed to the source; this doesnt weaken the assumption since regular + has point g delta => t3 anyways
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @JSMassmann Please change P5 to P11. It is equivalent since (points G_delta) implies T1. If you compare the theorem pages for each of the properties (https://topology.pi-base.org/properties/P000011 vs. https://topology.pi-base.org/properties/P000005), when we can phrase a theorem with just regular in the hypotheses, we do so, as it is a formally weaker property. In the general case, technically it's very very slightly easier to check the hypotheses, and the theorem has wider applicability. (of course equivalent in this case) But, more that that, using regular here allows to have the theorem side by side with other theorems that also use "regular + points G_delta" in the hypotheses, like T508.
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. The source explicitly write T3 and not regular. Writing anything else complicates this for no reason. I am strongly against this.
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Most (or at least a lot of) theorems in pibase are essentially unusable directly anyways Instead deduction engine works very well
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. @felixpernegger You keep insisting about following the source. You did the same in other PRs. This is misguided. Often we modify things to best fit what we want to present in pi-base. It does not really matter what one source says. It's just one tool in the justification of a result. (For another example, many sources make blanket assumptions of some separation axioms. Engelking for example in many places. But we don't add the same assumption if it's not needed.)
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. We obviously should have theorems in their most general form, but dont abuse sources.
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The individual need to be perfectly clear. It is fine to just use outside sources obv, but if we say something is Corollary XY and then the result is actually not, we need to clarify this. A more glarring example is the other suggestion I made to the pr
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I totally agree about that one. I thought yesterday about making a suggestion along these lines and you beat me to it. (Actually I wanted to suggest something a little more explicit. Will write it up.)
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There was a problem hiding this comment. Choose a reason for hiding this commentThe reason will be displayed to describe this comment to others. Learn more. So... what should it be? P5 or P11? I personally don't mind, I see the arguments for both.
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I think its best if you decide. |
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| See Corollary 6.4 of {{zb:0559.54003}}. | ||||||
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| Because {T347}, it suffices to check the identity element $e$ has a countable local base. | ||
| Let $\mathcal{U}$ be a countable local $\pi$-base around $e$. | ||
| Put $\mathcal{W} = \{U \cdot U^{-1}: U \in \mathcal{U}\}$. | ||
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| We claim $\mathcal{W}$ is a countable local base around $e$. | ||
| Every element of $\mathcal{W}$ is an open neighbourhood of $e$. | ||
| And if $V$ is a neighbourhood of $e$, there is an open neighbourhood $O$ of $e$ such that $O\cdot O^{-1}\subseteq V$ by continuity of the group operations. | ||
| By hypothesis, $O$ contains some $U \in \mathcal{U}$. | ||
| Then $U \cdot U^{-1} \subseteq V$. |
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| name: Cardinal functions I (R. Hodel), Ch. 1 of Handbook of set-theoretic topology | ||
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| The result with {P134} replaced by {P3} is a special case of Theorem 7.13 in {{zb:0559.54003}} (which uses "compact" to mean compact Hausdorff). | ||
| The current result is obtained by passing to the Kolmogorov quotient. |
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