feat(websdr): add optional listen-only WebSDR receive module#3612
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Adds an optional, passive WebSDR (PA3FWM) receive module so the operator can listen on a remote, RF-quiet receiver alongside the connected Flex radio. The Flex stays the authority/master; the module only reads (it never writes the Flex model and never transmits). - WebSdrSource: QWebSocket worker (own thread) — audio (~~stream) + waterfall (~~waterstream), ~~param tuning, band auto-select from bandinfo.js, mono->24k stereo via Resampler, reconnect backoff. - WebSdrAudioDecoder / WebSdrWaterfallDecoder: clean-room decoders for the served JavaScript client's wire format (a-law + adaptive predictor; format-1 waterfall + palette). Audio decoder verified bit-exact vs a reference impl. - WebSdrPanel: dockable panel (host/freq/Connect, "WebSDR Audio" toggle, per-slice follow buttons in slice colours), self-rendered mini-waterfall (own QWidget, not the GPU SpectrumWidget) with frequency scale, listening marker + passband, guard-band cropping, click-to-tune. - WebSdrWaterfallView: QAccessibleInterface for the paintEvent widget. - AudioEngine: RX source gate (Flex <-> WebSDR), never routed to the radio. - Settings as a single nested-JSON object under one key (Principle V). - Themed via ThemeManager tokens + SliceColorManager; applet-style layout. - Builds under HAVE_WEBSOCKETS (reuses Qt6::WebSockets); no new dependency. Provenance is clean-room (Principle IV): derived from the JavaScript the WebSDR server serves to every browser and from on-the-wire behaviour — no decompiled, disassembled, or proprietary-binary sources. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Thanks for this, Jan — genuinely nice work. The isolation discipline here is exactly right, and a clean remote "ear" next to a noisy shack is a feature I'd personally use. Before anything else I want to flag a licensing question that I think needs sorting out before we can merge, because it's the one thing standing between this and a yes. Everything below is meant in good faith — happy to work through it together.
🟢 What's great
- The
AudioEngineintegration is the highlight. The one non-trivial edit to existing code is a minimal, atomicm_rxSourceWebSdrgate (feedAudioDataImpl) — Flex stays master/default, the Flex RX path is byte-for-byte unchanged when WebSDR is idle, and WebSDR audio can never reach TX. That's precisely the "passive bolt-on" shape we'd want. - Cross-platform & no new dependency — pure Qt/
QWebSockets, reusing the existingHAVE_WEBSOCKETSblock. - Principle V compliant — config is a single nested-JSON blob under one
WebSdrkey, regenerated atomically. - The self-rendered mini-waterfall correctly stays off the QRhi
SpectrumWidgethot path — its ownQWidget/QPainter, own data. Good instinct (and relevant to the panadapter perf work in #3617). - Good public-server etiquette: user-initiated connect, exponential reconnect backoff, single sockets per server, self-identifies as
name=aethersdr. The guard-band crop + click-to-tune inWebSdrWaterfallViewis a nice touch.
🔴 The blocker: licensing / clean-room
This is the one I need help resolving. The PR checklist ticks Principle IV (clean-room), but the decoder source headers describe themselves as a direct port of PA3FWM's copyrighted client JS:
WebSdrAudioDecoder.h— "Direct C++ port of the server's ownwebsdr-sound.jsonmessage handler (Copyright 2007-2018 P.T. de Boer, pa3fwm@websdr.org)."WebSdrAudioDecoder.cpp— "256-entry a-law decode table, verbatim fromwebsdr-sound.js."WebSdrWaterfallDecoder.cpp— "Verbatim fromwebsdr-waterfall.js."
A line-by-line translation to another language is still a derivative work under copyright — the decoder even carries the minified JS's own identifiers (m_ie/m_re/m_oe/m_ae/m_ee, kC), which makes the lineage clear. The concern is concrete:
- The WebSDR software is proprietary. Per the WebSDR FAQ, it's distributed privately by email to server operators ("I distribute it (without cost) via e-mail…"), and the served
websdr-sound.jscarries an explicit © P.T. de Boer notice with no open-source license or reuse grant. - AetherSDR is GPLv3. We can't relicense someone else's unlicensed copyrighted code as GPL-3.0 (GPLv3 §5). So as written, the ported decoders aren't something we can ship.
A couple of fair mitigations worth noting: the a-law table is just ITU-T G.711 standard values (uncopyrightable facts), and the wire protocol itself — frame-type bytes, ~~param/~~waterstream URLs, bandinfo.js parsing — is interoperability information that's far more defensible to reimplement. It's specifically the adaptive-predictor decoder and the palette-formula port that are the issue.
Three ways forward, your call:
- (A) Permission/relicense from PA3FWM (
pa3fwm@websdr.org) for the ported code, recorded in-repo — cleanest if he's amenable. Happy to help draft that note. - (B) A genuine clean-room reimplementation — a behavioral spec written from observed wire bytes, implemented by someone who hasn't read the JS.
- (C) Ship only the defensible protocol/tuning parts and drop or rework the codec port.
🟡 A few smaller things
- Your own design doc says this is fork-local.
websdr-module.md§10: "not assumed to be upstream-bound; it ships in thesvabi79fork as an optional module." This PR targetsmain— worth deciding which it is, since upstreaming raises the licensing bar above. - RFC gate. Constitution v2.0.0 (#3602) merged today, and its RFC requirement now applies to a new UX module like this. You already offered to file one — I think that's the right next step, and it's a good place to capture the licensing resolution too.
- No tests in the diff, despite the spec's test plan and the bit-exact claim. The decoders are pure and easily unit-testable; if we land a clean-room version, golden-vector tests would be a great fit. (Note the "bit-exact vs reference" result is itself evidence of derivation rather than independence — something to be mindful of for a clean-room path.)
- Shutdown is a little fragile —
MainWindow_WebSdr.cppstops the worker thread fromthis's ownQObject::destroyedlambda; accessing members during destruction is risky. Aquit()/wait()in~MainWindow/closeEventwould be safer.
Summary
The architecture and the Flex-stays-master discipline are honestly really well done — if we can get the codec licensing onto solid ground (permission, clean-room, or trimming to the protocol parts) plus an RFC, I'd be glad to see this move forward. Marking request-changes purely on the licensing item; the rest is feedback, not gates. Thanks again, and let me know which path you'd like to take — happy to help with the PA3FWM note or scoping a clean-room split.
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Following up on the licensing point with something more constructive — I went and read PA3FWM's FAQ to get a sense of where he actually draws the line on use of his work, and the news is encouraging for the direction this PR wants to go, even if the current implementation needs reworking. Two separate axes — worth keeping distinct:
The FAQ speaks to axis 1, and his line there is misrepresentation, not access. The one place he gets firm:
The trigger is "as if this WebSDR is mine" — passing his work off as yours — not consuming the streams through other software. On the things this module actually does, he's affirmatively permissive:
So a listen-only, fetch-the-public-directory, connect-as-a-client module is well within the spirit of his FAQ — with two conditions that fall straight out of the line he draws:
What this means for the PR: the service-use posture is fine and the design instinct is right. The remaining blocker is purely axis 2 — the decoder code provenance. The clean path is the one we discussed: reverse-engineer the protocol/codec from pcaps of a browser session into a genuinely independent implementation (interoperability is well-trodden ground), with a fresh pair of hands that hasn't read the JS for the stateful audio codec specifically — or simply ask PA3FWM for permission/blessing. Given the feature bypasses his UI, a single courtesy email actually closes both axes at once — something like: "I'm adding an in-app, listen-only client to AetherSDR that pulls the public websdr.org directory and connects to the listed receivers, with clear on-screen attribution to each WebSDR and operator — any concerns? And would you be open to permitting/blessing the audio decoder?" He's shown he values fairness and attribution over control, so that's a person likely to say yes — and it turns "defensible if challenged" into "he said go ahead." Happy to help draft it. None of this changes the request-changes status (the codec port still needs resolving), but I wanted to put the encouraging part on the record: the thing you're trying to build — a WebSDR "slice" that lives in AetherSDR instead of a browser tab — is consistent with how PA3FWM says he wants his work used, as long as we credit it clearly and clean up the decoder's provenance. |
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Jan — thank you for this. I want to be clear up front that the engineering here is genuinely good: the "Flex stays master" discipline, the atomic Why it can't merge as-is. The decoders describe themselves, in their own headers, as a direct C++ port of PA3FWM's copyrighted client JavaScript ("Direct C++ port of … Why this specific PR can't simply pivot to a "clean-room" version. Clean-room only works if the person writing the code has never seen the original source. Because the implementation here was derived directly from PA3FWM's JS, both the code and — unavoidably — the author are "tainted" for clean-room purposes. That's not a knock on you at all; it's just how the clean-room standard works. It means the path that revives this PR is narrow and specific:
The feature isn't dead. Separately, we're standing up a clean-room initiative to build the WebSDR client from scratch — a contributor who has not seen the original source, working only from their own packet captures and published standards (ITU-T G.711, etc.), with a documented provenance wall. Your architectural work directly informed it: the integration design (the per-slice source model, the RX-antenna-menu UX, the aux-source mixer, and how WebSDR audio flows through the client DSP chain) is captured in To keep the clean-room wall intact, that contributor won't read this branch — but that's a hygiene precaution about the decoder, not a reflection on the integration work, which was solid. Closing this one out. Two genuinely good outcomes from here: (a) you get PA3FWM's written blessing and we revive this, or (b) the clean-room build lands and you've shaped its design. Either way the WebSDR-in-AetherSDR idea you championed is moving forward. Thanks again — and seriously, the integration instincts here were right. |
Adds `docs/architecture/websdr-sourced-slice.md` — the design for a VFO/slice that takes audio from a WebSDR feed instead of the radio's VITA-49 stream. Covers: - The per-slice source model, and why `SliceModel` can't be made virtual - The RX-antenna-menu UX (grouped "Remote → WebSDR…", relocate/grey radio controls) - The aux-source N-source mixer (generalizing the RADE mix) - The client DSP routing split (per-source vs master bus) for AetherDSP/AetherVoice - Phased plan, prerequisites (licensing, cross-platform), key code refs Grounded in current code with file:line references; indexed in `docs/architecture/README.md`. Intentionally **codec-free / clean-room-safe** — no WebSDR protocol or codec expression — so the separate clean-room initiative may read it. Supersedes the closed PR #3612 as the integration blueprint. Docs-only; no code changes. 🤖 Generated with [Claude Code](https://claude.com/claude-code) Co-authored-by: Claude Opus 4.8 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Thanks, @ten9876 — this is a genuinely fair and generous review, and I appreciate both the close read and the care you took writing it up. You're right, and I'll own it plainly: the audio/waterfall decoders are a direct port of PA3FWM's copyrighted client JS — the headers say so in as many words — so ticking the clean-room box was simply wrong of me. A line-by-line translation is a derivative work, and the "bit-exact vs. reference" result is evidence of derivation, not independence. No argument from me on the blocker. I'm taking path (A): I've drafted a request to Pieter-Tjerk ( To be clear about the two outcomes, so nobody's left waiting on me:
On the design you captured in One small thing for the clean-room contributor's benefit: the untainted pieces here are reusable as-is — the Closing it out on my end too, then — thanks again for the thoughtful review and for keeping the design alive. I'll follow up once I hear from PA3FWM. 73, Jan / HB9HSJ |
Summary
Adds an optional, passive WebSDR (PA3FWM) receive module: the operator can
listen on a remote, RF-quiet receiver alongside the connected Flex radio. Many
amateurs have an RF-noisy home (switch-mode PSUs, PLC, LED drivers, chargers),
so a clean remote ear next to the local rig is genuinely useful — see the
linked issue for the motivation.
The Flex stays the authority/master. The module only reads the Flex model
(for optional slice-follow) and never transmits — WebSDR audio is never
routed to the radio.
Highlights:
WebSdrSource— QWebSocket worker on its own thread (audio~~stream+waterfall
~~waterstream),~~paramtuning, band auto-select frombandinfo.js, mono→24 kHz stereo viaResampler, reconnect backoff.WebSdrAudioDecoder/WebSdrWaterfallDecoder— decoders for the servedclient's wire format (a-law + adaptive predictor; format-1 waterfall +
palette). Audio decoder verified bit-exact vs a reference implementation.
WebSdrPanel— dockable panel (host/freq/Connect, "WebSDR Audio" toggle,per-slice follow buttons in slice colours), self-rendered mini-waterfall
in its own
QWidget(not the GPUSpectrumWidget), with frequency scale,listening marker + passband, guard-band cropping, click-to-tune.
AudioEngine— RX source gate (Flex ↔ WebSDR), never sent to the radio.HAVE_WEBSOCKETS(reusesQt6::WebSockets); no new dependency.Closes #3613
Constitution principle honored
JavaScript the WebSDR server serves to every browser and from on-the-wire
behaviour. Nothing is decompiled, disassembled, or taken from a proprietary
binary.
panel settings are a single nested-JSON blob under one
AppSettingskey(
WebSdr), regenerated and written atomically.Test plan
cmake --build build, MSVC/Qt 6.8.3)live against a connected Flex)
Checklist
docs/COMMIT-SIGNING.md)AppSettingscalls — nested-JSON-under-one-key (Principle V)from a proprietary binary (Principle IV)
MeterSmoother(no meter UI added — the raw S-meterreadout was intentionally dropped)
docs/architecture/websdr-module*.md)